Comments on: Limited and Unlimited Atonement Miss the Point http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/ "The best Christian is still a poor Christian" - R.B. Kuiper Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:59:45 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: G.L.W.Johnson http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-1025 G.L.W.Johnson Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:39:46 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-1025 Exclusively in reference to the comments made by those responsible at the Kingdom People blog. This really is a can of worms and falls into many errors that Owen dealt with way back when. Exclusively in reference to the comments made by those responsible at the Kingdom People blog. This really is a can of worms and falls into many errors that Owen dealt with way back when.

]]> By: theologian http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-1023 theologian Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:35:02 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-1023 Pastor Johnson, Thanks for posting. I have not read that book yet, but just added it to my "books to get" list. For those interested, i found it on amazon here... http://www.amazon.com/Death-Christ/dp/1846857406/ref=sr_1_2/002-4059507-3868029?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180870333&sr=1-2 When you say "silly statements" are you referring to the Kingdom People Blog and their statements, or the statements that i made in disagreement with them? Pastor Johnson,

Thanks for posting.
I have not read that book yet, but just added it to my “books to get” list. For those interested, i found it on amazon here…
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Christ/dp/1846857406/ref=sr_1_2/002-4059507-3868029?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180870333&sr=1-2

When you say “silly statements” are you referring to the Kingdom People Blog and their statements, or the statements that i made in disagreement with them?

]]> By: G.L.W.Johnson http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-1022 G.L.W.Johnson Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:59:11 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-1022 John Owen's 'The Death of Death in the Death of Christ'has been constantly in print for over three centuries and ought to be mandatory reading for all aspiring young theologues to prevent them from making just these kind of silly statements. John Owen’s ‘The Death of Death in the Death of Christ’has been constantly in print for over three centuries and ought to be mandatory reading for all aspiring young theologues to prevent them from making just these kind of silly statements.

]]> By: David Turner http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-779 David Turner Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:13:29 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-779 Read the short book by D Michael Turner, GOD'S WRATH POSTPONED. You can preview it in Google Books. Read the short book by D Michael Turner, GOD’S WRATH POSTPONED. You can preview it in Google Books.

]]> By: Coops was here http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-535 Coops was here Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:23:07 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-535 <strong>Exploring Atonement</strong> So, over the next [I don’t know how long] I have decided to do a series on Exploring the Atonement. Being the seasoned theologian and all (sarcastic), I thought it would be a fantastic topic to get to know better - especially since I’ve hea... Exploring Atonement

So, over the next [I don’t know how long] I have decided to do a series on Exploring the Atonement.
Being the seasoned theologian and all (sarcastic), I thought it would be a fantastic topic to get to know better – especially since I’ve hea…

]]> By: theologian http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-455 theologian Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:33:17 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-455 To tell you the truth i have stopped reading Flynn after the first couple of postings that we had interacted on. I have just been way too busy. He seems like a very smart guy who knows his theology. To tell you the truth i have stopped reading Flynn after the first couple of postings that we had interacted on. I have just been way too busy.

He seems like a very smart guy who knows his theology.

]]> By: Josh http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-454 Josh Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:34:50 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-454 Its better to ramble on a blog than to not post at all :-) I am persuaded by Flynn arguments, we talk on the phone off and on. I am still not sure how it is not 4-pt Calvinism. I think eventually he will explain that part. I was originally surprised by the Calvin quotes, I am not schooled enough with Calvin to know if there is a counter. What catches my attention so far is the viewing what was forgiven by Christ death. Like, say 10 thieves are awarded 40 lashes each by the King. The kings son says Ill take the 40 lashes for them. Does he take 40X10 lashes or 40 lashes. Does he pay each persons individual penalty or does he pay the required penalty for stealing. Ok my turn to ramble :-) Well homework is done, off ta bed. Its better to ramble on a blog than to not post at all :-)

I am persuaded by Flynn arguments, we talk on the phone off and on. I am still not sure how it is not 4-pt Calvinism. I think eventually he will explain that part.

I was originally surprised by the Calvin quotes, I am not schooled enough with Calvin to know if there is a counter.

What catches my attention so far is the viewing what was forgiven by Christ death. Like, say 10 thieves are awarded 40 lashes each by the King. The kings son says Ill take the 40 lashes for them. Does he take 40X10 lashes or 40 lashes. Does he pay each persons individual penalty or does he pay the required penalty for stealing.

Ok my turn to ramble :-) Well homework is done, off ta bed.

]]> By: theologian http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-453 theologian Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:03:17 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-453 It is interesting to see how the blogosphere sometimes feeds off of itself as well. Sometimes it's enlightening to see the same topic from a slightly different perspective. I don't really agree with the post on Kingdom People Blog, just thought their perspective was interesting. I don't see the atonement as being for all of creation per say, but for elect mankind. As atonement has to do with compensating for a wrong, and man was the one who sinned and brought all of creation crashing down with him. So since man subjected all of creation to the fall through his sin, so to all of creation is in a sense redeemed through the atonement of man. But it is still man that is atoned, not general creation. o.k., i'm rambling again :) It is interesting to see how the blogosphere sometimes feeds off of itself as well.

Sometimes it’s enlightening to see the same topic from a slightly different perspective.

I don’t really agree with the post on Kingdom People Blog, just thought their perspective was interesting.

I don’t see the atonement as being for all of creation per say, but for elect mankind. As atonement has to do with compensating for a wrong, and man was the one who sinned and brought all of creation crashing down with him. So since man subjected all of creation to the fall through his sin, so to all of creation is in a sense redeemed through the atonement of man. But it is still man that is atoned, not general creation.

o.k., i’m rambling again :)

]]> By: Josh http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-452 Josh Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:27:21 +0000 http://theologian.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/limited-and-unlimited-atonement-miss-the-point/#comment-452 Been a slow blog weekend aint it :-) I am just swamped. I think I should have just taken one class instead of two. Isnt this the same as Flynn's position? Theology is like buying a new car. You never notice whats on the road, but as soon as you buy a car, you see it everywhere. I have not found much yet, but since Flynn started posting, I am starting to see similar posts (refuting or accepting) on blogs. Been a slow blog weekend aint it :-)

I am just swamped. I think I should have just taken one class instead of two.

Isnt this the same as Flynn’s position? Theology is like buying a new car.

You never notice whats on the road, but as soon as you buy a car, you see it everywhere. I have not found much yet, but since Flynn started posting, I am starting to see similar posts (refuting or accepting) on blogs.

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