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Verse to Consider

I used to call this “verse of the week,” but since i haven’t been doing it weekly i decided to change the name.

* Rom 5:8 – ESV *
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

This is an amazing statement of the condescending love of God. The Geneva Bible tells us in the study notes the reason God loves us in this way…

“He commends his love toward us, so that in the midst of our afflictions we may know assuredly that he will be present with us. ”

Love is an incredible tool in a time of affliction and fear. Knowing that God will never leave us or forsake us should give us confidence no matter what situation we may be in. Especially when coupled with an understanding of His sovereignty.

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About theologian

I'm a child of the King, my Father who is in Heaven, by the precious blood of His eternal Son, Jesus Christ. I am married with children and currently reside in Pennsylvania. I am a Pastor with the Association of Charismatic Reformed Churches (ACRC) working as an Urban Missionary in Chester, PA. Throughout my time in ministry God has also blessed me with opportunities for formal education by which I earned my terminal degree (Doctor of Theology) from New Geneva Theological Seminary in 2013.

Discussion

11 thoughts on “Verse to Consider

  1. I know this sounds a little condescending and I don’t have a Geneva Bible so I don’t know the full extent to what is said in the notes. But, I would hope that more was gleaned from this verse or that commentator missed the entire point of that verse. It is a great way to think of the passage after the realization of “us doing nothing and not even wanting Christ, but actually reviling Him while He was dying for us.”

    Thoughts?

    Posted by Seth McBee | December 5, 2006, 3:37 pm
  2. I don’t know Seth.
    Looking at the context this verse comes in at Rom 5 i can understand what the Geneva commentators were getting at.

    Paul is speaking to them of enduring through their sufferings (vv3-4).

    The point that we were loved by God and Christ died for us while still sinners is to show that now that we are justified we can have much more confidence that we will be saved from the wrath of God (v9). The point is to contrast us pre-conversion and post-conversion. If God loved us that much pre-conversion, how much more now! (v10)

    Posted by theologian | December 5, 2006, 4:10 pm
  3. I see Larry’s point. It is like an argument from the greater to the lesser. If he loved us while we were yet sinners (a thought harder to grasp), how much more will he care for us now that we have been baptized into Christ by the Spirit. If he did the greater, he will certainly follow with the lesser.

    I see a parallel to this type of argument in Rom. 8:32 “He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?”

    If we read this verse right, I think it is one of the strongest verses in Scripture for a Definite (limited) atonement. How could the all for for whom Christ “was given up” (the greater) not be given all things (the lesser). All those for whom he died will certainly be saved.

    Posted by Gomarus | December 5, 2006, 8:37 pm
  4. That is a good point…both of you.

    Posted by Seth McBee | December 6, 2006, 5:21 am
  5. It demonstrates the extent of God’s grace. If we truly understand God abhorence of sin, and yet while we were sinners Christ died for us, it glorifies and magnifies the goodness, mercy and love of our glorious Lord.

    Posted by David McCrory | December 6, 2006, 4:11 pm
  6. BTW would you care to swap links?

    Posted by David McCrory | December 6, 2006, 4:14 pm
  7. David,

    I was just thinking about adding your link to my blogroll. After i commented on the 10th commandment i started thinking that your blog looks like the kind of blog that i want to link to.

    So yes, i will put your link on my blog.

    Posted by theologian | December 6, 2006, 5:23 pm
  8. If your like me, your particular about what you stick your name on. I think you’ll find we will agree on the essentials of the faith, and many more as well. If I ever seem to be floating out in space on something don’t hesitate to say so.

    Posted by David McCrory | December 6, 2006, 5:51 pm
  9. Exactly. That’s why i like reading them for a while before putting them on my blogroll. And yes, let’s all pull each other in if we think someone has gone a bit too far out. These comment sections are great for keeping us accountable to each other and for learning different ideas.

    Posted by theologian | December 6, 2006, 6:18 pm
  10. Looking more at this verse it seems to be a proof of the deity of Christ. How else could God show His love for us by Christ dying? I doubt it would convert a JW, but i think this verse definitely speaks to the deity of Christ.

    Posted by theologian | December 6, 2006, 11:40 pm
  11. never thought of that but great truth, and you’re right, probably won’t convert JW but the treasures of Scripture are always precious when one finds it.

    Posted by Seth McBee | December 7, 2006, 12:21 am

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